Comments on: So Where Does This Guy Stand on Animal Rights Anyway? http://veganbits.com/so-where-does-this-guy-stand-on-animal-rights-anyway/ Tue, 07 Feb 2012 18:36:45 +0000 hourly 1 By: Lane http://veganbits.com/so-where-does-this-guy-stand-on-animal-rights-anyway/comment-page-1/#comment-2181 Lane Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:35:26 +0000 http://veganbits.com/?p=380#comment-2181 Hi Peggy, Yes, I find it frustrating too, that there could be such a disconnect. But I think it takes a while to actually "see" the barbarism we're perpetuating. As for eating "happy meat," regardless of his efforts, it's not really all that practical. If the animals truly made an impression, eating vegan is the way to go. (But I'm preaching to the choir, eh?) Heather, Interesting point. And I wish it were the case, but do you really think people will see him as being illogical and ridiculous if they're engaging in the same behavior? Because most of us have experience with pets... Hi Antonio, Thanks for sharing, I haven't read anything by Francione yet. Kristof appears very inconsistent to me. His defense of meat eating makes no sense in the context of his article. On the other hand, I have seen people compartmentalize things which then allows them to behave inconsistently. Hi Gary, It is certainly easy to be blind to the inconsistencies of things you like that conflict with your belief system (my thoughts of eating pizza again). I agree with all four of your comments. I think defense of a deeply vested habit may be the thing that is hardest for most people to overcome. Although justifying "want" is also up there... ;) Hi Peggy,
Yes, I find it frustrating too, that there could be such a disconnect. But I think it takes a while to actually “see” the barbarism we’re perpetuating.
As for eating “happy meat,” regardless of his efforts, it’s not really all that practical. If the animals truly made an impression, eating vegan is the way to go. (But I’m preaching to the choir, eh?)

Heather,
Interesting point. And I wish it were the case, but do you really think people will see him as being illogical and ridiculous if they’re engaging in the same behavior? Because most of us have experience with pets…

Hi Antonio,
Thanks for sharing, I haven’t read anything by Francione yet. Kristof appears very inconsistent to me. His defense of meat eating makes no sense in the context of his article. On the other hand, I have seen people compartmentalize things which then allows them to behave inconsistently.

Hi Gary,
It is certainly easy to be blind to the inconsistencies of things you like that conflict with your belief system (my thoughts of eating pizza again). I agree with all four of your comments. I think defense of a deeply vested habit may be the thing that is hardest for most people to overcome. Although justifying “want” is also up there… ;)

]]> By: Gary http://veganbits.com/so-where-does-this-guy-stand-on-animal-rights-anyway/comment-page-1/#comment-2177 Gary Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:50:47 +0000 http://veganbits.com/?p=380#comment-2177 I see Kristoff's inconsistencies not so much as "schizophrenia," which is a mental defect, but: - Denial, to avoid cognitive dissonance - Defense of a deeply vested habit - The fact that consuming the flesh and secretions of easily domesticated, generally non-companion animals is so accepted in society - An evolving concern about animals' interests, and a welcome but still fairly shallow willingness to question his attitudes and behaviors re: consuming animal products. I see Kristoff’s inconsistencies not so much as “schizophrenia,” which is a mental defect, but:

- Denial, to avoid cognitive dissonance

- Defense of a deeply vested habit

- The fact that consuming the flesh and secretions of easily domesticated, generally non-companion animals is so accepted in society

- An evolving concern about animals’ interests, and a welcome but still fairly shallow willingness to question his attitudes and behaviors re: consuming animal products.

]]> By: Antonio http://veganbits.com/so-where-does-this-guy-stand-on-animal-rights-anyway/comment-page-1/#comment-2176 Antonio Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:13:02 +0000 http://veganbits.com/?p=380#comment-2176 I'm glad you blogged on this topic as I had similar thoughts about the inconsistency of Kirstof's article. This is an example of what Gary Francione (www.theabolitionistapproach.com) calls 'the schizophrenic ' relationship most people have with animals. It's sad really, and made worse in this case by the fact that he has personally experienced the intelligence and emotional lives of animals but gladly continues to eat them. It's mad. I’m glad you blogged on this topic as I had similar thoughts about the inconsistency of Kirstof’s article. This is an example of what Gary Francione (www.theabolitionistapproach.com) calls ‘the schizophrenic ‘ relationship most people have with animals. It’s sad really, and made worse in this case by the fact that he has personally experienced the intelligence and emotional lives of animals but gladly continues to eat them. It’s mad.

]]> By: heather http://veganbits.com/so-where-does-this-guy-stand-on-animal-rights-anyway/comment-page-1/#comment-2174 heather Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:56:18 +0000 http://veganbits.com/?p=380#comment-2174 When I read that article I was really annoyed for a few days but then I decided that maybe people would notice how illogical and ridiculous that guy is and then they would stop being illogical and ridiculous... When I read that article I was really annoyed for a few days but then I decided that maybe people would notice how illogical and ridiculous that guy is and then they would stop being illogical and ridiculous…

]]> By: Peggy http://veganbits.com/so-where-does-this-guy-stand-on-animal-rights-anyway/comment-page-1/#comment-2173 Peggy Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:08:57 +0000 http://veganbits.com/?p=380#comment-2173 Ack, it always frustrates me to read things like that. It's unfortunate when people SEE that animals really do have their own stories and feelings and 'rich tales of love and loyalty'... but refuse to simply go vegan. I doubt he actually makes a huge effort to only eat 'happy meat'. Ack, it always frustrates me to read things like that. It’s unfortunate when people SEE that animals really do have their own stories and feelings and ‘rich tales of love and loyalty’… but refuse to simply go vegan. I doubt he actually makes a huge effort to only eat ‘happy meat’.

]]> By: kelly g. http://veganbits.com/so-where-does-this-guy-stand-on-animal-rights-anyway/comment-page-1/#comment-2168 kelly g. Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:45:23 +0000 http://veganbits.com/?p=380#comment-2168 Too true, Lane! On the other hand, most of us don't go bragging about it in a national newspaper, lol. Too true, Lane!

On the other hand, most of us don’t go bragging about it in a national newspaper, lol.

]]> By: Lane http://veganbits.com/so-where-does-this-guy-stand-on-animal-rights-anyway/comment-page-1/#comment-2157 Lane Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:08:05 +0000 http://veganbits.com/?p=380#comment-2157 Hi Kate, Unfortunately, I think he has decided... I think he's a meat eater. I think, in this society anyway, it's very easy to be a meat eating animal lover, because we are so sheltered from the process of how our meat gets to our plates. Hi Kelly, Agreed. But then again, I've been known to bury my head in the sand on occasion. ;) Hi Kate,
Unfortunately, I think he has decided… I think he’s a meat eater. I think, in this society anyway, it’s very easy to be a meat eating animal lover, because we are so sheltered from the process of how our meat gets to our plates.

Hi Kelly,
Agreed. But then again, I’ve been known to bury my head in the sand on occasion. ;)

]]> By: kelly g. http://veganbits.com/so-where-does-this-guy-stand-on-animal-rights-anyway/comment-page-1/#comment-2156 kelly g. Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:36:39 +0000 http://veganbits.com/?p=380#comment-2156 Ooops! That should read (with an unhealthy dose of “burying your head in the sand” <i>thrown in</i> for extra-poor measure) Duh me :) Ooops! That should read

(with an unhealthy dose of “burying your head in the sand” thrown in for extra-poor measure)

Duh me :)

]]> By: kelly g. http://veganbits.com/so-where-does-this-guy-stand-on-animal-rights-anyway/comment-page-1/#comment-2155 kelly g. Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:35:47 +0000 http://veganbits.com/?p=380#comment-2155 It also sounds like he's conflating "rights" with "welfare" (with an unhealthy dose of "burying your head in the sand" for extra-poor measure). It also sounds like he’s conflating “rights” with “welfare” (with an unhealthy dose of “burying your head in the sand” for extra-poor measure).

]]> By: Kate Saltfleet http://veganbits.com/so-where-does-this-guy-stand-on-animal-rights-anyway/comment-page-1/#comment-2153 Kate Saltfleet Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:18:38 +0000 http://veganbits.com/?p=380#comment-2153 This is typical incongruency of the meat-eating "animal lover". This guy needs to stop sitting on the fence and decide what he's really about. This is typical incongruency of the meat-eating “animal lover”. This guy needs to stop sitting on the fence and decide what he’s really about.

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