Comments on: Humane Society Says California Vote Yes On Prop 2 http://veganbits.com/humane-society-says-california-vote-yes-on-prop-2/ Tue, 07 Feb 2012 18:36:45 +0000 hourly 1 By: seamaiden http://veganbits.com/humane-society-says-california-vote-yes-on-prop-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2567 seamaiden Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:46:12 +0000 http://veganbits.com/?p=429#comment-2567 I do live in California, and I was very glad that you mentioned this proposition. I'm sorry to say I hadn't read about it prior to this post and so I found it very helpful. I read the referenced links... and I just wanted to say that personally, I suspect that I will be voting yes, not because I approve of or support the industry (because I don't!!!) but because I feel that any improvement in animal living conditions is worth a vote. I'm sure the bill doesn't go far enough or help enough, but passing something towards animal welfare seems better than nothing. I read the linked article and since many bills have equally delayed start-times, that doesn't have much impact on me although I do agree, the sooner the better. Not passing anything won't get results faster, though. Further, I can't help but be skeptical of critics' casual psychological analysis of the impact this bill would have. For me, this bill is about the animals- not imperfect people or fat cat industry. I also feel that organizations like HSUS have to be realistic and support animal welfare in our current, imperfect society. (Although I'm all for their promoting veganism- sounds good!) The critique of a "happy meat" movement is a good one, but realistically (and unfortunately) the industry exists and will continue to exist for some time so I think it's important to support animal welfare- even if I'd rather the animals not be part of the whole mess to begin with. Confinement of animals is a huge ethical problem that needs to be addressed. However, I'm glad to read critical treatments of the bill and I will definitely keep reading before I actually cast my vote. Hope you don't mind that you inspired me to think aloud about this at your blog. I think there are undoubtedly many different ways of thinking about this proposition- this just happens to be the way I'm thinking about it right now. Best wishes, Sea I do live in California, and I was very glad that you mentioned this proposition. I’m sorry to say I hadn’t read about it prior to this post and so I found it very helpful. I read the referenced links… and I just wanted to say that personally, I suspect that I will be voting yes, not because I approve of or support the industry (because I don’t!!!) but because I feel that any improvement in animal living conditions is worth a vote. I’m sure the bill doesn’t go far enough or help enough, but passing something towards animal welfare seems better than nothing. I read the linked article and since many bills have equally delayed start-times, that doesn’t have much impact on me although I do agree, the sooner the better. Not passing anything won’t get results faster, though. Further, I can’t help but be skeptical of critics’ casual psychological analysis of the impact this bill would have. For me, this bill is about the animals- not imperfect people or fat cat industry. I also feel that organizations like HSUS have to be realistic and support animal welfare in our current, imperfect society. (Although I’m all for their promoting veganism- sounds good!) The critique of a “happy meat” movement is a good one, but realistically (and unfortunately) the industry exists and will continue to exist for some time so I think it’s important to support animal welfare- even if I’d rather the animals not be part of the whole mess to begin with. Confinement of animals is a huge ethical problem that needs to be addressed. However, I’m glad to read critical treatments of the bill and I will definitely keep reading before I actually cast my vote.

Hope you don’t mind that you inspired me to think aloud about this at your blog. I think there are undoubtedly many different ways of thinking about this proposition- this just happens to be the way I’m thinking about it right now.

Best wishes,
Sea

]]> By: Lane http://veganbits.com/humane-society-says-california-vote-yes-on-prop-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2518 Lane Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:58:56 +0000 http://veganbits.com/?p=429#comment-2518 Hi Sat, Thanks for sharing. I haven't had a chance to review the link in depth, but I will do that in the next week or three and if it changes my opinion, I will revisit the topic. I'm rather disappointed that the stamp of approval from Farm Sanctuary and the HSUS may not be sufficient enough for me to decide on a yes vote. I would think those organizations would have animal welfare as their main objective. Hi Sat,
Thanks for sharing. I haven’t had a chance to review the link in depth, but I will do that in the next week or three and if it changes my opinion, I will revisit the topic.
I’m rather disappointed that the stamp of approval from Farm Sanctuary and the HSUS may not be sufficient enough for me to decide on a yes vote. I would think those organizations would have animal welfare as their main objective.

]]> By: Sat http://veganbits.com/humane-society-says-california-vote-yes-on-prop-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2506 Sat Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:41:18 +0000 http://veganbits.com/?p=429#comment-2506 Personally, I'm voting against prop 2. I was a big supporter of it when I first heard about it but after some reflection, the problem isn't that it "doesn't do enough"; the problem is that it does nothing except make people feel better about eating eggs, veal, etc. You might want to check out the following blog post for a brief overview of what is wrong with prop 2: http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/?p=165 Personally, I’m voting against prop 2. I was a big supporter of it when I first heard about it but after some reflection, the problem isn’t that it “doesn’t do enough”; the problem is that it does nothing except make people feel better about eating eggs, veal, etc.

You might want to check out the following blog post for a brief overview of what is wrong with prop 2: http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/?p=165

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